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This book is like a time capsule. It’s a selection of interviews that aired on Hromadske
(Community) Radio’s Ukraine Calling show. They capture what people were think-
ing during a critical time in the country’s history, from the July 2016 NATO Summit
through to Volodymyr Zelensky’s 2019 landslide election victories. Decision makers,
opinion makers, and others commented on events of the day and larger issues from UKRAINE CALLING
politics to sports, religion, history, war, books, diplomacy, health, business, art and D
more. Interview guests include Canada’s then Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland, y
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writer Andrey Kurkov, Crimean political prisoner Hennadii Afanasiev, UNHRC’s z
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Pablo Mateu, ethnologist Ihor Poshyvailo, and a cameo appearance by Boris John- k A Kaleidoscope
son. These interviews provide a unique, kaleidoscopic perspective on Ukraine as it
was on the receiving end of a hybrid war from Russia. from Hromadske Radio
“Why is Ukraine in the news? What is so special about the country? Are they really out to
get Mr. Trump? Who is Mr. Zelenskyy? These and many other questions are answered in 2016–2019
this collection of interviews with the people who know the country inside out. A must read for U
everyone who is interested in the country, the region, and the international politics of today.” k
Serhii Plokhy, Professor of Ukrainian History, Harvard University r
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“This is really live history. These stories and discussions were recorded during the dramatic
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years when Ukraine was fighting on two fronts: defending itself from Russian aggression n
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in the war zone, and domestically against corruption. They reflect facts and the spirit of the
time and thus are unique materials which enable an English-language audience to better C
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understand Ukraine and also how the West needs to uphold their own European values.
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Compiled by Marta Dyczok, one of the most knowledgeable Western scholars on Ukraine, l
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with huge experience of living in Ukraine, travels to all the corners of the country, connec- n
tions to Ukrainian VIPs but also to ordinary Ukrainian people who are struggling for free- g
dom.”
Olexiy Haran, Professor of Comparative Politics, Kyiv-Mohyla Academy
“If you’re looking for thoughtful treatment of contemporary events in post-Maidan Ukraine
by empathetic experts, Ukraine Calling—the book of the podcast—is for you. As the years
2014–2018 recede into history, the voices of lived and reflected experience become all the
more valuable.”
Roman Waschuk, Canada’s Ambassador to Ukraine 2014–2019
The editor:
Marta Dyczok, D. Phil. (Oxford), is an Associate Professor at the
Departments of History and Political Science, Western University,
Canada, Fellow at the University of Toronto’s Munk School of Global
Affairs, and Adjunct Professor at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy.
The author of the foreword:
Andriy Kulykov is a chairperson of Hromadske Radio at Kyiv.
ISBN: 978-3-8382-1472-6
With a foreword by Andriy Kulykov
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Ukrainian Voices, vol. 6
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Marta Dyczok
Ukraine Calling
A Kaleidoscope from Hromadske Radio 2016–2019
With a foreword by Andriy Kulykov
Assistance by Oksana Smerechuk, Caitilín O’Hare, and Larysa Iarovenko
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KRAINIAN OICES
Collected by Andreas Umland
1 Mychailo Wynnyckyj
Ukraine’s Maidan, Russia’s War
A Chronicle and Analysis of the Revolution of Dignity
With a foreword by Serhii Plokhy
ISBN 978-3-8382-1327-9
2 Olexander Hryb
Understanding Contemporary Ukrainian and Russian
Nationalism
The Post-Soviet Cossack Revival and Ukraine’s National Security
With a foreword by Vitali Vitaliev
ISBN 978-3-8382-1377-4
3 Marko Bojcun
Towards a Political Economy of Ukraine
Selected Essays 1990–2015
With a foreword by John-Paul Himka
ISBN 978-3-8382-1368-2
4 Volodymyr Yermolenko (ed.)
Ukraine in Histories and Stories
Essays by Ukrainian Intellectuals
With a preface by Peter Pomerantsev
ISBN 978-3-8382-1456-6
5 Mykola Riabchuk
At the Fence of Metternich’s Garden
Essays on Europe, Ukraine, and Europeanization
ISBN 978-3-8382-1484-9
The book series “Ukrainian Voices” publishes English- and German-language
monographs, edited volumes, document collections, and anthologies of articles
authored and composed by Ukrainian politicians, intellectuals, activists, officials,
researchers, and diplomats. The series’ aim is to introduce Western and other
audiences to Ukrainian explorations, deliberations and interpretations of historic
and current, domestic, and international affairs. The purpose of these books is to
make non-Ukrainian readers familiar with how some prominent Ukrainians
approach, view and assess their country’s development and position in the world.
The series was founded and the volumes are collected by Andreas Umland, Dr. phil.
(FU Berlin), Ph. D. (Cambridge), Associate Professor of Politics at the Kyiv-Mohyla
Academy and Senior Expert at the Ukrainian Institute for the Future in Kyiv.
Marta Dyczok
UKRAINE CALLING
A Kaleidoscope from Hromadske Radio 2016–2019
With a foreword by Andriy Kulykov
Assistance by Oksana Smerechuk, Caitilín O’Hare, and Larysa Iarovenko
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Contents
Andriy Kulykov
Foreword. This is the Book I Need .................................................... 9
Marta Dyczok
Introduction ......................................................................................... 11
Mykhailo Samus, Hanna Hopko, Andreas Umland
“NATO’s Warsaw Summit and Ukraine” ........................................ 17
Chrystia Freeland, Volodymyr Groysman, Andriy Shevchenko,
Mychailo Wynnyckyi
“Canada and Ukraine: Shared Values and Real Economic
Opportunities” ..................................................................................... 29
Andriy Kulykov, Kateryna Smagliy and Paul Niland
“The Killing of Journalist Pavel Sheremet in Kyiv: In-Depth
Commentary” ....................................................................................... 39
Dennis Lozinsky, Daniel Bilak and Frank Sysyn
“What Role Does Religion Play in a Hybrid War?” ........................ 53
Olexiy Haran and Brian Whitmore
“Is War the New Normal in Ukraine?” ............................................ 65
Volodymyr Ohryzko, Brian Mefford, Michael Getto and
Jairo O. Nascimento
“War, Sports and Politics” .................................................................. 75
Oleksander Tkachenko and Serhii Plohkii
“Shadow of the 1991 Moscow Coup Today” ................................... 83
Serhiy Holovatyj and Bohdan Nahaylo
“Ukraine: 25 Years of Independence, a Thousand Years of
History” ................................................................................................ 91
Olena Bilan, Cameo by Boris Johnson
“IMF Loans & Economic Challenges: Western Sunrise in
Ukraine” .............................................................................................. 105
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Timothy Snyder
“Ukraine Commemorated the 75th Anniversary of the Babyn
Yar Tragedy” ...................................................................................... 113
Nestor Gayowsky
“Ukraine, Canada & a Satellite Phone: How History Happened
in 1991” ............................................................................................... 121
Serhii Plohkii
“Read This Book with a Martini. Shaken, Not Stirred” ............... 131
Yevhen Fedchenko
“How Ukraine Was the Testing Lab for Russia’s Information
War against the United States” ........................................................ 139
Daniel Drezner
“What Can Ukraine Expect from Trump: Temporary Insanity
or a Permanent Shift?” ...................................................................... 145
Hennadiy Afanasiev
“I Participated in a Pro-ukrainian Protest against Russian
Occupation” ....................................................................................... 153
Ihor Poshyvailo
“Celebrating Ukrainian Easter: Not Rabbits and Chocolate but
Paska and Pysanky” .......................................................................... 161
Olesia Ostrovska-Liuta
“Laughter and Strength Featured at Kyiv’s Book Arsenal” ........ 171
Peter Solomon
“Who Judges the Judges? Peter Solomon on Successes &
Challenges of Legal Reform in Ukraine” ....................................... 181
Ulana Suprun
“Putting an End to the ‘Wild West Pharmo-Mafia’ in
Ukraine” .............................................................................................. 193
Pablo Mateu
“Assisting Ukraine’s Uprooted—UNHCR and Partners in
Action” ................................................................................................ 207
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Pavlo Mamontov
“Wounded Warrior Now Competing in Invictus Games” .......... 217
Volodymyr Kulyk
“Why All the Fuss? Ukraine’s New Education Law” ................... 223
Andrey Kurkov
“We Don’t Need a New Maidan” ................................................... 233
General Sir Rupert Smith, Sir William Jeffrey and George Anderson
“Conflict Resolution in Donbas: No Magic Formula, Political
Process Is Needed” ............................................................................ 245
Brian Whitmore
“There Has to Be an ‘or Else.’ Washington Analyst
Whitmore on War, Ukraine, Russia, Hybrid Containment,
and More” ........................................................................................... 261
Michael Bociurkiw and Kateryna Kruk
“Was It All Worth It? Babchenko’s Case and the Credibility of
Ukrainian Authorities” ..................................................................... 275
Oleksandr Danyliuk
“Everything Was Agreed in Advance” .......................................... 289
Michel Terestchenko
“The Good, the Bad, and the Very Ugly. Michel Terestchenko
on Ukraine Regional Politics“ .......................................................... 301
Jaroslav Skira
“Resurrection of Christianity in Ukraine. Prof. Jaroslav Skira
on Religion and Politics, and Newly Created Orthodox
Church of Ukraine“ ........................................................................... 311
Olga Onuch
“Ukraine 2019 Rada Election. Olga Onuch on Results and
Implications“ ...................................................................................... 325
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Foreword
This is the Book I Need
I need this book because it helps me not to err in my memories of
very important years in Ukrainian history. My recollections of those
years are very personal and thus may be misleading. I need
yardsticks to measure the validity of what I imagine I remember
against what was happening there and then as perceived by other
people. Compare, and you have a better chance of keeping a true
picture in mind.
Dr. Marta Dyczok produced a series of radio shows that
reflected the most pressing issues of Ukraine’s life in those years.
They combined topicality, and moreover, urgency. Her
pod/broadcasts were interviews with important speakers,
sometimes already accomplished opinion leaders, and sometimes,
those who would gain part of the necessary experience for being
influencers from talking to her. The show covered a set of issues of
paramount importance to Europe (and some would say, for the
world), as Ukraine stood up against the open aggression of Russia,
the country whose rulers are bent on regaining a degree of the
regional and global dominance it used to have so recently.
For us at Hromadske Radio, Dr. Dyczok’s voluntary
contribution to our work was a bright example of solidarity with
Ukraine’s cause, proof that what we have been striving for was also
of importance for a person from a totally different country;
sometimes, it would seem, from a totally different world. What Dr.
Dyczok did, by devising and running her radio show, was evidence
of the fact that we do not live in parallel worlds, however different
they are: our worlds do cross, they interact and overlap, and shape
each other, even if this takes a long, long time.
What did this effort mean for Dr. Dyczok? One thing I can say
for sure: this was in no way a materially rewarding experience.
Being financed by grants and having to resort to lengthy periods of
unpaid work more than once, we could never offer Dr. Dyczok a
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