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rockets and electromagnetically powered
subnarines - all fruitlessly funded by
TIMES the US taxpayer. One can postulate that
he did flot receive any extra ingredients
or clues, gleaned frorn the Roswell
saucer ! to make these systen0s work. Or
we would have seen sone rnore positive
ED TOFIIAL results. Answer please Mr Friedman.
Does Blue boot Fit?
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MJ 12 Too Many?
Another general inconsistency is the
status of Project Blue Dook. Why create
It cooti[rrally surpriler re every tire such a project with people like Al1en
I open al herican IIFO rugazine, that llynek working to examine UFO evidence,
rleYr
there is alrays a article knowing fu11 rell. what the answer nas
extollirg the yirtues of [J-12 or the really? Why not sinply set up the Condon
Boseell Inciilert. loil to ray that the Comittee, whiterash the whole subject
clains (aal sonetires cormter-clails ) as oot worthy of scientific scrutiny and
ofter leave the reader utterly perplercd be done rlith it.
and beril.dered as to r,h.t to believe it
the end, rould be an nadeEttatcnt. While several Ane.ican ufologists
argue over micro issues such
as
The endless discussions about typefaces and confusing eyewitness
typewriters, signatures, waternarks and testinony, they have lost sight of basic
Japanese rice paper balloons is beconing macro questions as detailed above.
rather tedious to say the least
especially when I believe that the whole It also appals rne to see thousands of
exercise of investigating these issues Dollars being poured into this area of
are a coEplete waste of tioe. study by the Fund for UFO Research where
the only results are oore questions.
An unjustified judgenent you
nay
think. But is it? Uaybe this is the key. Iloward Blun
took a fresh look at UJ-12 ilr his book
tOut
fechaologlr Pajrpoff Therer and came to the conclusion
that the vhole MJ-12 affair naa
a
Let us look at an old, but stil1 very disinfornstion plot by the US governnent
valid senario. If an alien spaceship did (1). If it is a disinformation ploy -
crash in Rosrrell and the US Air Force then itrs working a treat. Ufology has
recovered the wreckage, shich was some been steered array fron real UFO eveats
44 yeats ago. It would seen logical to and pl.oughing scant resources into a non
me that the US government would have entity. Perfect.
gained, by now, a multitude of
scientific knowledge frorn the years of I believe that the nain driving force
examining the dorrned aaucer. However, behind the long life of W-12 and
the Space Shuttle is still using Roswell is the wish of the investigators
firework technology to launch itself that UFOg are of an extraterres trial
into orbit and nilitary aircraft are origin. The need to keep a nythology
still using jet propulsion. Where is the alive and kicking is a ponerful one and
sci-fi technology? Presunabl.y this despite .uy earlier thoughts that lU-12
technology is kept so nuch under raps and Rosnell nould die a death in near
that it is never used for fear of a leak future Q) it would seem that these
and thus totally useless topica will be high on the agenda for
!
quite some tine to cone.
Further to this argument, Stanton
Friednan, the loud deus ex rnachioa of Befeteaces
Renosthwuesll iaasntdic M lJe-c1t2u, rsetsa ttehsa tp rhoued hlya sin b eheisn (1.) Blun, I{oward. Out There. Simon and
pinrvoopl.uvelsdi oinn par oljaercgtes rnsaujcohri tya so f nfuacilleeadr S(2c.h)u Estderit. o1r9i9a0l., UFO Tines 11, Pp 4.
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further psycho-social evaluation of
UI'O
witoesses until after the 5-year period
has elapsed.
Bitterly Di$IrpoiBted
ltany members of BUFORA who know of ny
Professor Hans Bender Dies oork io this field will realise horv
bitterly disappointed I am at learning
Stalling Anamnesis Project of these recent developments because I
have been involved wich che project
report by Ken Phillips since its introduction in the northern
Iloue Counties in 1981. One can irnagine
It ir rith gEeat regret that I have to the enornous amount of mao-hours and
armormce the ileath of the formiler anl personal expense which have gone into
heail of the IIsTIlIll nir interviewing rritaesses and conpiling
GBE%GEBTBIB
DER PSICE)LOGIE IIXD PSCf,OEIICISIE reports, only to see the project sta1l
( rf,strrutE Fon rorDEnl.rlE Pslcuou)cr e so drastically when we were within sight
pSIG:E9-EI6IEf,E) of seeing our subject gain scientific
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recognition - crest la vie!
Perhaps it is now tine for me !o
return to the more-nainstream type of
investigationg, using whatever
new
foroat of investigations protocol
I
R&I decree for use in the last
BUFORA
decade of the 20th century, and thus see
out the rest of rny investigations days
in a slightly-less controversial area of
UFO report enquiry. I would, however,
wish to take this opportunity of
thanking all those members who rendered
rne moraL and material support in this
rather awkward area UFo-witness
investigations, and for pucting up with
the rather absurd idea that there is a
EmJ Deniler conoection betrreen the I inner worldr of
the $itness and rhat is going on rout
The passing of Bender could not have there i .
happened at a nore inoppottune time as
far aa the ANAIINESIS Project is Elitorr! f,ote: These developments
concerned since the future of the DePt. have certainly been a tremendous blow to
of Parapsychology, of rhich the a vitalLy inportant project. I am sure
incumbent head and principal advocate of that nays will be found for its
thE UFO WITNESS ANAMNESI S /RORSCIIACI{ cootinuaoce.
PRoJECT, Rolf Streichardt, forms the
final evaluation of the projectrs data,
is now in grave doubt. UFO NEWSLINE
Should Streichardtrs department be Got a hot UFO news story?
forced to close and there are no
alternative research groups to carty on Then ring the special
the work then this sould mean the
UFO Times Newsdesk on
viftual end of the BUFoRAT s ANA!{NESIS
project. As it is, Dr. Keul has asked me 0352-732473
to suspend all further ANAIINESIS testing
forthrith due to the fact that he is now between 9am and 5pm
fu1ly comitted to a s-year study plan
of environmental peychology at salzburS' 7 days-a-week
and therefore cannot undertake any
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BUF@RA MEAruS BUSINESS
If c*otre hait asted :/o! fro Joh spencer I"a! a fen Jrerrs 48p, yorrr arler
probably rould have be€o that hc rar a tnooter player. If the ta qrettioa Yat rtted
todry then yolrr.trter ray have been itiffereot - Joh! E e[cer the I,IO researchet and
a relearcher ritt t relnrtatioa.
Not many UFO researchers would have present the subject not just to
actenpted to question such an imPortant enthqsiasts but to pre-teenage
foundation stone to ufology as the Betty children, to teenagers, and across the
and Barney Eill case in his book adult spectru[ fron people who watch
I Perspectives I or indeed be critical of Davi<t Bellany to those who watch
maoy facets of UFO investigation and Coronation Street. We need to interest
research in general. the youog; give me a child anat Irll
give you back the nan, they say. you
rThe
His tno nerr books U?O try and design one book that can reach
Encyclopediar and I IIFOs The Definitive all those people - it. isn't easy, it
Gasebookr have not been well received night be inpossibLe. What ne
know
rrithin the UFO coMunity. With this in doegnrt wo"i i" only writing stuff
nind, I decided to catcb up with John in that builds on rhatis gone before
Sheffield recently not only to question before nost people havenit yet
read
hin oo his nerr books but a19o to hear of whatis gone before. Itrs never been
his vision for British ufology in the presented in a package that interests
future.
them.
Q: Letrs talk about those books that Sfi.lgirg rhe cap
seem to have caused gome controversy.
$hy did we need yet another In the end I had inage consultants,
encyclopedia? experts in influencing skills and
report writing designing books which
A: If rrret consilts of UFO enthusiasts they based on sonething like a cross
and UFO researchers then we donrt need betyeen Trivial Pursuits and one of
aoother encyclopedia. Ttrere are a those books that you just pick up,
number of encyclopedias designed for look at a few entries, and put do$n.
rosearch, which rnine isntt. Hortever These kind of books stay tactiver for
rwer are not the only PeoPle io the a Long tine. 0f course we also had to
world though you wouldn I t think so to be fair and compromise xith tbe needg
read some of the outPourings of authors of the publishers who are in a
and uagazine editors in this subject. comercial narket, tbeyrre not
UFo
For years these writers, includiag enthusiasts. The books use encyclopediac
ryself with books like 'Perspectivesr, layout and are intended to bridge
have beea guilty of rriting only for the gap bett'eeo tabloid storytelLing
each other, and rre seem happy to go on aod the rhigh browt rritings that
doing it until the sun burns out. We setre used to. That means for
make no real attenPt to attract new example bringiag i-n a few fanous nanes
readers. 0f course we all hope that our rrhere applicable because those
nameg
books ri1l reach rri-der markets, but rle trigger agreeable associations in
donrt actually do atrything to try to the generaL publicrs nind, it
nake it happen. oeaas tot ovet cross-referencing
because thatrs boring to ootr-
The brief for the books was that the researchers, and a host of other stuff.
subject be pEesented to as nide a nerr This is spelt out in the introduction I
market as possible; these books have to think.
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Q: You nentioned the Cagebook. what question of writing for particular
are the differences begween these tro narkets. A rnedical encyclopedia written
books? for doctors is not going to look the
same as a book about ailments rritten
A: Wetl, the books together are for the.general public; astronomy books
different fron other books in the field for the public donrt read like an
because of this question of approaching operators Eanual for Jodrell Bank. I
new Darkets. One of the best maxims in donrt think people in this business have
the business world is rlf you want. to realised that yet, in fact lrm not sute
get sonethitrg different out, then you they realisd how different these narkets
have to put sonething different in. r are.
These books are an experiment trying to
break new ground. Q: Are uFo books writteo by ufologists
for ufologists outdated theo?
I{ith regard to the differences betseen
the books themselves the encyclopedia A: Donrt get me wrong - IrIn not saying
addresses the history of over 40 years there is no place for specialist books
and hor the public inage of UFos has like, sdyr Eilary Evans I rrhich are
been noulded; that neans including che probably the best in the world, they are
sometimes trivial coments of absolutely vital; but there is a need
particularly prominent people, the for more than just that.
particular experiences that have been
corner-stoneg in changing percePtibn of
the subject, and of course the
comittees in .Anerica that frankly
fornulated much of the inage of the ET'H
in the early years. The Casebook takes
ttre global factor showing hor. the UFO
subject is both uniforn across the world
but also affected by particular local
cultures and of course it also has
unique illustrations. one of the Points
brought out by the consultants looking
at the subject was that peoPle seern to
crave visualisations of the uFo
phenomenon which of course wd should all
have recognised for ourselves. Slide
illustrated Lectures attract twice the
audience and you only have to have a
lioe drawing on the wall at a conference
for 100 people to gather round and take
photographs of it. The book addresses q: Are the books appealing to the
this desire and the publishers nere very public?
far-sighted in comnissioning the
paintings and nodels at considerable A: Theyrre selling well, werve got one
cost. paperback deal and both books are going
into the States next year. This should
There have been criticisns of the give BUFORA soue publicity it needs. I'n
books from inside the UFo business of glad for both publishers because they
course but outside they are being have taken risks too; we should see
received nell. For ItFo enthusiasts maybe ourselves in partnership with theu, not
I should have publicized the briefs for opposed to then just because rre have
these books before they were published; different airus.
this question of assuming the books weae
desigled for research looks set to haunt But in fact the sales numbers are of
me for ever; I have a feeling that lrrtr nuch less inportance to me than whether
going to be defending a Position I never or not they translate into BUFoRA
intended to take for years to come. nenbership or other support. That t'ill
be the only real test of whether or not
Yourve got to bear in rnind this I got it right, given the aims I had.
UFO Tines
0f course wetve had sone flak fron the any one researcher or even any one
more eccentri.c magazine editors rho are counittee to have all the constantly
usitrg the books to have a go at ne and changing infornation in the norld at any
BUrORA but thatrs nothing new, ask given tine. Even betneen the tine of
Lionel Beer - he warned ne about this finishing the nanuscripts and before
before I started. One or two of the they were published several cases
nagazines not backed by research advanced; the change from basic
organisations are nothing nore than cornfield circle patterns to pictograns,
exercise bikes for editors to work out recent revelations otr the Peter Day
their egos on. These guys arenrt. out case, one or two American caseg that
there doing any actual research for one have developed. 0f course there will be
thing. Given that background, wheo an private correspondences betrreen
organisation like BUFOM decides to take researchers nhich I llonrt be aware of
the subject truly seriously itrs open to and any one of those people could point
attack from every ingrained prejudice out rearorsr as such in the books. lrm
and belief systen going. not suggesting that we should
deliberately sacrifice quality, but
Fron those kind of people failure will there nust be a cut-off point or you
get you criticized but it takes success never get anything actually finished.
to real1y bring out attacks like plagues And those I'ho have suggested I sonehow
bring out the dead. And since my work missed one or tno itens they thought
has got me further into other paranornal were crucial had better bear in rnind I
areas I'n planning sinilar books there knew of another 7000 entrieg so they rve
too so those critics had better get got some catching up to do yet.
some very serious supplies of valium I did offer the full set as a rproperl
in. tesearch encyclopedia by the nay but
cross referenced we calculated it would
Q: Sone of these criticisns have run to seven volumes - no publisher in
suggested that the books aren't 100% their right nind sould touch it. And it
accurate. Are you refuting that? would be useful to about 100 people who
anyway ought to have conpiled their own
A: No. I said in the introduct.ion of by norl. Even then it would still amount
the encyclopedia that there would be to a snapshot, out of date even as it
errors; I have found errors in virtually was published, like all encyclopedias.
every book and nost magazines I've ever
read on the subject but I donrt try to Tautira the Eull
score poiots by that and I donrt admire
it in others. The books come from a Itts worth pointing out in any cage
database I conpiled of over 8000 itens, that nost criticisns of books in this
of which about 1000 were selected as subject, by writers who have a vested
entries. I try to keeP nY database interest of course, tend not to be
updated as nuch as possible and verify actual reviews but rather the author
rIf
where I can but mistakes are inevitable. saying I had dooe it I rvould have
Renenber when yourre researching an done it this rlayt. An encyclopedia is
encyclopedia you need a much Sreater like a red rag to a bulL; everyone knows
range of factual items than you do for the balance they would put it, the
r0ost books so the risks of error then subjects they thilk are inportant. Point
becomes far greater. scoring is easy if thatrs shat turns you
on. I guess fron the UFo enthusiasts
Every ite8 in the books, apart fron0 point of view Ird have been on safer
those rhich cone fron personal files or ground if lrd used another nane but I
resources of rDy onn, have cone frorn still think for the wider narket itrs
Legitinate good norks on the subject. right. It is an encyclopedia, so nhy not
About 100 books nere used in the final gay so.
reviews alone but of course nany nore
have been used over the years. Another thing: one of the most
inportant legsons fron business is that
Ilowevet, time moves on and there rill you wonrt succeed unless you take risks.
be updates ltve rnissed. Such is the size Indeed, the only people t'ho never fail
of the subject that it is inpossible for are those who never try, and never
UFO Tines
succeed, either. I donit know if the Arnoldrs sighting serve nade solIle
books experiment will vork from BUFORA r s advances but they are norvhere on the
point of view but I shanrt rorry if it scale that they ought to be after that
doesnttl I'11 go on until sonething anount of tine. Ue need to get new
$orks. Remenber I got r Phenonenon r people and do nore with the oneg serve
placed nith a major publisher, about the got and give nenbers better value for
first book of it's kind by an noney.
organisation rather than an individual;
that rras a risk and indeed itrs succesg q: What kind of new serviceg?
ras much les than Ird hoped for. It
didnrt bring in the mernbership to BUFoRA A: In th€ long term we need an office
rse had hoped for, so we try sonething or tshopr that menbers can visit rtith
e1se. library and lecture facilities but even
to answer that questioo fu1ly in the
short tern we need to ask
nembers
exactly what services they need. For the
imediate future Ife nust inprove what
werve been norking on; quick responses
to enquiries, a well publicized post81
library facility, nore specialist
and
non-specialist publications,
manned
phones to receive reports, enquiries and
so on. I{e need to have a teao able to
respond to and initiate dealing rrith the
nedial nost of this non beconeg possible
nith the office.
Q: ltow do we go about achieving the
longer term goals?
A: The key is to get new mernbers and
nev funds in so that ne can afford to do
nore. About l0 to L2 years ago the
policy sub-coutrittee under Les Bayer
started seeking out and recruiting
professionals designed to beef the
comPany uP. I nas one of those
recruited from the business world and ny
initial brief was to reverse the
Poor
financial position, which we did. l{y
successorg as treasurer including the
John sDencer current treaaurer, Sioon Roser have done
brilliantly r'el1 to continue that long-
q: BUFoRA is undergoing severel term rtork.
chenges at the ptesent. Can you outline
these? A Bluepritrt for the hrtute
A: Over the next five to ten Years we Recently our former chairman, Bob
will see BUFORA going through sone Digby, produced I'hat nill I think turn
radical changes; a big increase in out to be one of the nost important
nembership numbers, nuch greater consultative documents produced for the
funding for direct research and conpany, concentrating on narketinS and
investigation, and training promotion. we decided to take that
Progralmes.
Already tte are in the final stages of further and I persuaded my colleagues
setting up a DUFORA office ttith a fu1l- in managemen! consultancy and business
time secretary and receptionist which training to apply a litt1e free tine
nill nean quicker resPonses to enquiries to our problems. We are talking about
and the ability to set up a whole range a team that charges f,l ,0O0s 8n hour
of net' services for members. Itts long for consultancy to some of the biSgest
overdue: in the 44 years since Kenneth multinational names in the wor1d.
UFO Tines
As I an sure you were pleased to know respotrse networks, and a whole host of
they nere happy with two aspects, UI'o powerful tools for research. tte just
Tioes and tbe UFO-Ca11 line, both of carltt go on ainlessly, we nust have
which rrefe your onn efforts in the nost purpose. For exanple there are
no
part. But they also recomended a whole professional UFO investigators anywhere
range of other ideas which have already in the UK - no one person actually paid
started with the developoent of the to do the job, which is the definition;
office and staff, the production of tbe we Dugt get rid of that amateur status
two books that recently came out, the and find funds that enable us to pay
Encyclopedia and the Casebook, higher full-tine people to head up trained
profile narketing, teanbuilding, goal- networkg .
settiog, reapplying for charity status
and go on. llost of this rras discussed The best model that exists is UUFoN in
by the current policy tean and some the States; I know we night not agree
was discussed with Patrick too, of nith their strong ET line but their
course. (ltalor Sir Patrick Wal1, the nethods are the best in the world; good
President. ) inter state co-opetation, organised and
energised teang, training prograrmes,
Q: So what happens next now that the even exams for investigators. I knol'
books are done? Jenny Randles has suggested we should
loosen or cut our ties nith but I
UFoN
A: I{e rve worked trard for the subject think we have a lot to learn fron then.
to be opened up to gerioug science which
nas the first major thrust we needed, And another thing I'e lrould do nell to
and I thiok werve had some success, think about is that our future teams
though nore is needed. The effort to put must incl.ude the nitnegseg. Theyrre not
this subject on a basis with respected animals in a cage to be studied, they
science nust continue. I spend a lot of are the subject, and should be working
ny tine going round lecturing to science closely with us.
and aatronouy groups and I think rerre
getting through that BUFORA ie not a Q: Your vision of what ne should be
crazy cult group. doing is adnirable and rrould
revolutionise UFO research for the
hsiaesr-SpeaL better, but is it not easier said than
done?
I think the other najor drive is to
instigate into the subject the best of A: I donrt expect easy ansners, Ir
the business world. I donrt nean profitg not naive. IIe nay have decades to go,
or anything like that; but in business but letrs use them well. Donrt get ne
ne energise companies with teanbuilding, $rong, thefe are sone very good people
with project focus, with specific and doing some very good work, but this
attainable goals, ne find ways to subject lacks synergy - the extra eaergy
notivate people to do good work, not that comes from energised teans working
just hard {ork. In truth UI'O research, together. Researchers donrt work
particularly outside of Arnerica, is a together in any reaL rayl Eduado Russo
bit of a rag-bag collectiotr. We eee a said the only work being done is by
case, study it, file it and then what? individuaLs, not organisations, and
Just wait for the oext case? where are Vallee has said that he saw no reason
we goiflg? I{hat are ne trying to do? Do I for joining groups to do shat he could
as a researcher have anything at ny do alone anynay. But it doesntt have to
disposal now that I rould not have had be that rray, it cao be rewarding working
forty years ago and if not why not? in a comitted, united tean rrith
a
llhat other field of work could shon so cormon purpose in nind. We must make
little after so long? If all this seens nore use of the offers of involvement
frightening and clinical be aesured itts ftorn our nenbership, and we must
not. If we set goals and focus our best encourage people to tty new things, to
ninds - and find some new ones - then in take risks. To do that ne must oot
ten year.3 ne will be talking about criticise failure and BUFORA nust look
funded training progranmes, offices and
equiptletrt at our disposal, quick Coatimed o! pate 24
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