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RALPH RUMNEY
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GERARDB ERREBY
GIULIMOI NGHINI CHANTALO STERREICHER
WITH THE HELP OF AND
TRANSLATED FRENCH MALCOLMI MRIE
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Itr elattote hised eofam aking.
Anda risn,L atin?
Practikcnaolw ledge.
Yes,a ndt hkiisn odf" makicnogm"efr so mo therE verayra tn edv eirnyv estigation,
Lataiunt hloirLksue c re,wt hioau ssismiliaittn etdo a nldi keewviesprery a ctpiucraslu it
oru ndtearkisnege,mt soa iamt
thsep hreeo fa rTth.a dte finiotfai roatnp pljiuesst
somgeo ohde:n ciheta bse en well
asm ucthot hpeo eatn tdh aeri tsatsi dto etsot he saitdh atthG eo oidts h aattw hich
scie.nI tnmi yso tpininoonno,ef t ehscea enx sit altlh inagism .
ARISTOTLE
wihtoutth oet rhseO.ra tl eatshtbe r intgoignegt h
ero ft hteh raecet tiivheiasbs e etnh aei mo fm y
wokrr iguhptt ot hdias.My yw orhka asl wabyese n
basoende xperi,mi entn htsea mwea y ase rmno d
scniceeA.n di ste emsm evt eor uyni lketlahytI 'm
evegro itnocg h nage.
Sot heirnseo p robwlietcmho mpetwiittsihuo cnco,er s s
failbuerceay,uo sucera rheaensro bte etnh oafta t ra
ditionalo re pvaeainnan vtaenrt -pgaairndtee r.
Id otnb 'elvieie na vante-.sgA anrdIvd 'en evfeelrt
myesltfob ei nc ompiettiwointo ht hleirv airnstgt.i s
Itd oetsi nn'temree.s t
Therwee rpee riwohdesnI s oledv erytIh ing
paiendIt.d otn 'knwohwe rmeyw orks dhiasvaep
pearteoTd.h eyb'veees nc attaelorlve etdrh p el ace.
Thacto ersrpotnoadp sra itcuwlaayor fl ei,tf ol uck
anddi fferentt acnicTrehcsiu.nma gsrssel o dt,h ings
arleo .Ys outc ould sayalt mhotasottyd I a'amna rstti
wihtouwto rktsh,ta hte yb'evceo amccee srsi.oe s
1 THE CONSUL
MarcDeulc haomnpc e tshahaiethd ag di vueppn a int
inagn,ed v eryboenlei heivmBe.udi t wt a csl etahrha et
hande ver swtoorpkpiendg.
Itw oulbdew rontgot hihneks tophpieosdw n
rescehaO.r bvilo,yuh sen eedteodg ivhei mself
somseap ce.
Onmei ghhatv teh outghhatt you,a m yttohoi,c alw ere
charadcetaaedsar p ,r oduacrtitisvaten ads a t hinker,
bute njoyai cnegr tnaoitno rifeotyrt hintghsa t
werrea thleerg endlairykt,eh fea mouGsu ide
PyschograepohgidqeuV een i-sPescyhogeographic
RALPHR UMNEY GuidteoV enicBeu.tt heonn dei scotvheayrtos u
PHOTOH:A RRYS HUNK
hav'estnt opwpoerdk eiintgTh,ome ark.se o msee nosfa ell
thilse,gt o'ri sg hbtac kt o btehgei nWnhiendrgoey. o u
comefromP
Iw asb orni nN ewcaisnt1 l9e3W 4h.e nIw astw o,
wem ovetdot hoeu tisrkotfHs a lxii fanYo rksrheIi.
livweidt mhy p arenitnsa ne normvoiucsa rage.
Therwea sah uggea r,dw eintahno rchaanrdad
vegeltpeaa btchr-eaaa sls deutr itnhwgea .r lIo ved
thaptlc ae.
Whow eryeo upra rentsP
My motwhaeasmr i ddleL-ocnldao,sn sdea ocr tso r'
duaghtwehrob ecaamn eu rssiinesgrat ndm ias
sinoariynA byssi.nS ihaew asp rouodfb eitnhge
firswth iwtoem aand mtiettdo ctoheuo rfHt a ile
Sela.s vsAei reeyn lighwtoemnaeUndn. fo truna,t ely
mym aimne morairees oifl lh.nSe ehrsde si ewdh en
Iw afosu rt.e en
Myfa thwears stohonefa m in.e rHsaetr tweodr k
int hmei nwehse n whaets w elavnehd a ndo fo rmal
edutcia.oA nftetrh wea ,rh et ooukpt hseut dyo f
theooglayn sdp esnvete ryaelai rnNs y asal(annodw
THEC ONSUL 2
Malwai)a s ma1s 1snoayr.U ponh irse tutron ARTJ SA DANGEROBUESA ST.
Engla,n dhteo otkh cel ho tabnedc aamv ei cianr RHUML AR YPEN
PHOTOH:. S HUNK
NewctalsIet. h aisrt doi magtionyde a tshrteu ggle
itto otkh efonrs omeofrnoem the wcolratskosi ng
makieit tn ot hpeet ibtouer egoi.s ie
Nostfo a arw afyr otmh weo rolfEd n ge.l.s.
. n.o vt.e rfayrA .n dK eiHra r,dt iheger eSacttoi tsh
MaxrisSto ci,a foluinsdteorft heI ndependent
LaboPrar ty,t he firspta rLlanibtaoamrcre ayn di
datec,a met oa meetinogu tsiDduer hamw hen my
fathwears ac hi.Hl edw arnneedwr ecrtuohi itss
par"tWya:t ocuht c-orrubpetgiionns b rwaintdhy
ancdi agr"sK .eiHra rdhiaetd os haarb ee wdi tmhy
fathe,rs moethionfwg h icmhy fa tehrw asa lways
pro.uM dy fathewra sa srtetc-hbeerairnet rh e
1914-18w ar-hseuv ridvb ey tshkeio nfh itse eth.
Aftetrh wea ,rh ee ducahtiemds. He elp fut thrsiuts
int hceh urtcoth h,pe o ionfbt e comaic nlrgeg yman.
3 THEC ONSUL
Her eaadl o,s ttudiinle idab rr,it ehsinlgiskt he.a t
Hisi ntcetluldaeelv elopwmaesn trt ehes uolft
encnotuewrist h ouvssaor ciicailri.cs ltnAe o stion
thawta sa tt hhee rato fs ocioarll iasbtom roivset
menitnsE nglawnadts h yaotu ciomurplodvy eo ur
self tlherranoiu.Sng oghm ger uophsa pdu blished
bootkohs e lipnt hpirso c.Te hseshye lmde etings to
spretahtdeeh oroifeM sax ra nEdn ge.lM syfa ther
woutladk meet ot hemseee tiwnhgesInw ajsu as t
kidIh .e aorldwd o rkqeurost Hiengge. l
They'sdeu tpp opuulnairv ersities.P
Morea sosciattihoaunnn si viet.ri ses
EVERYONHEE SITATBEEST WEETNH E
PASWTH ICHL IVEOSN I NE MOTIONASN D
Yes,b utth peo puluanri verwseiratesi seosc tattons.
THEF UTURWEH ICIHS D EADA SO FN OW.
GILLEISV AIN Theyw erneoru tn by thset aTtheCe.o mmunPiasrtyt,
PHOTOH:. S HUNK foerx ampsleseto, mu ep .
In ocua,rsi etw anst'a ss rtuctuarste hd.a T the
gorupwso ulhda vael itmteleet pialncgeo ,rm eet
ingwso ulsdip mlbye h elidns omeosh noeu'.sW ee
alglo tt oge,t ahneder vyeornew asw elc.o me
Sometiymoe'usdg e t ao ftc euapc ooeffreb ,u dtu r
intgh ed iscuspseiooptnloseo ikts erli.yoI u'sd
nevheera orfKd a notrE ngelIss u;p pIow saes more
middclle.aA snsdI 'sde teeh slea wdist thh ediitrry
hanwdhs'o dj ucsotm heo mfreo mt hfaec toarnyd
whow erdee btaintgh inlgiskt he.a T thawta usn i
verysfo irmt eL.a t,ie nSr oh,o foIu ntdh Mea latesta
Culbt,h fien arle dooufob ltEd ng liasnha rtcsh.i s
Diydo hua vaen oyt hsecrh ooling.P
Ofc ou.r ssIet arwtietpdhr iamrsyc h,ow ohlerIe
metmy fi rlsotv e. I wfiavwseh efoInu rm elotir t a
tlgei rls.w oWtrehe aw tew oulgdemt a rrwiheedn
wew erger own uhpe.l hdWa en dosna frtneoon
THEC ONSUL 4
walkWesfo .r mead" ccrood,i"wlh eeryeou wianl k
pairasn,wd e a lwamyasds eu rweew erteo ge.t hIe r
was carbaozhuyet r sahnweda asb omuetA. h appy
child.h ood
WheIn waabso suetv meynfa teh,rd ecidtihantg
iwta nse caersfoysr m et oh avaes chroyll,m aidlde
claesdsu ca,st einmotent oap rivsacthe.o ol
Happiennedsesd. P
Yes.I t av iesrb ya mde mroy.
KNOWLEDGOEF C ITIIESSL INKETDO
Tellm em orIets. o untdesr rible.
THED ECIPHEROIFNT GH EI MAGES
THEYP ROFFEARSI FI NA DREAM.
Iw asse v.e wnIa vse rhyu rbtyb eisnegrp aatfreodm SIEGFRIKERDA CAUER
myp arenatnstd h roiwnnat no unknowTnh ew orld.PH OTOH:. S HUNK
sch,ow ohlichha da ldryeb aeedna amgebdy a
Germnaanv baolbm ardmientn htFe i rWsotr Wladr ,
hadb eeenv acufraotmeS dcr aborotuoag p hl ace
calElshetdo Hna ,ln lofatr fr om Sk.iI pwtta ovsne ry
beaiufutlW.es tayienad m ans,i orane palaa lcea,
vereyl aengetd ifibcueii lntt h eea rnliyn etthe en
ceunrt.yT here hmauvsbete esnve eyn ptupiilns
alIlwt.a ass ocyiw eittahs r tonsge nosfee hriahr,yc
evebne twebenoy so nlsye rpaatbeytd w yoe aYrosu.
hatdoa da.p tI lwtialtsbe i at roefba enald agnoygt r
with otthhkeei rdw sho t hIo uwgehrtaec c omplices
oft hsey stAeccmo.r dtioBn egtr raRnusds lelt,h ere
arteh rtehei ntghsad tei rvfreo mP laNtoa:z i,s m
commun,i satmnehdE ngilsehd ucastyiso.tnI e tm
wasak inodft ortfourmr ee. I nt heen dI,p uutp
witiht .
Throughtohuewt a rt hreem,y onlhya ppy
momenwtesr e wIhfo eunn mdy eslafl oinnet h e
gorundosft hmea nosniw,h icwhe rqeu ietxtee n
sviet:h ewraesa r i,vw eoro,da sbandognaeerdnd, s
oranige.es lrIo vheudn tfoirnb gi r'nd esss ttoirc k
lifonrgt roiuntt h set r.eA anmdt hewreerb ea dgers
5 THEC ONSUL
A LITTL�EJ ORPEA TIENACNED and oIts tpeeranssmt. u ch atsip moes soiubtldseo, o r
ALLW ILLEN D BADLY.
in thea lnwoeifo,lr id st,e emtehda to nneeol wsaes
PHOTOH: .S HUNK
interiens ottsethedh ings.
Yowue ree rdefifnrftot mho et hcehri ldren.P
Ohy,e sIt! h itnhkaa tn ynoew ho harse btehlilsi ous
siadnewd h om anagtoek se ehpic sr eatqiuviictkyl y
findhsi msdeilfffe rfreonmto theorusto, f s tep.
Todaye'dusc atisoynsatlew mhse,t hienEr ng land,
Franocree l,es whearletl,rt yon ormayloiuIz.tei s
oftevne rhya rtdor es,ai nstdtoh sweh os ucceed in
doisnoag r rea re.
THEC ONSUL 6
