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PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .................................................. 1
MINUTES OF Meeting held June 3, 2014 ................................................................................. 1
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION....................................................... 7
MINUTES of Meeting held June 3, 2014 ................................................................................... 7
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS .................................................. 10
MINUTES of Meeting held June 10, 2014 ............................................................................... 10
LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................................................. 13
MINUTES of Meeting held June 10, 2014 ............................................................................... 13
SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ......................................................................... 26
MINUTES of Meeting held on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 ........................................................... 26
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................... 29
MINUTES of a special Meeting held June 25, 2014 ................................................................ 29
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ............................................................................. 33
MINUTES of Meeting held August 12, 2014 ........................................................................... 33
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ............................................................................. 34
MINUTES of Meeting held August 19, 2014 ........................................................................... 34
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................... 39
MINUTES of Special Meeting held August 21, 2014 .............................................................. 39
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ............................................................................. 45
MINUTES of Meeting held August 29, 2014 ........................................................................... 45
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION..................................................... 46
MINUTES of Meeting held September 3, 2014 ....................................................................... 46
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS .................................................. 50
MINUTES of Meeting held September 9, 2014 ....................................................................... 50
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION ................................................ 54
MINUTES of a Meeting held September 9, 2014 ..................................................................... 54
LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................................................. 61
MINUTES of Meeting held September 9, 2014 ....................................................................... 61
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SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ......................................................................... 72
MINUTES of Meeting held on Tuesday, September 9, 2014 ................................................... 72
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION..................................................... 75
MINUTES of Meeting held October 7, 2014 ............................................................................ 75
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................... 78
MINUTES of Meeting held October 14, 2014, ......................................................................... 78
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ............................................................................. 85
MINUTES of Meeting held November 4, 2014 ........................................................................ 85
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION..................................................... 88
MINUTES of Meeting held November 4, 2014 ........................................................................ 88
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS .................................................. 93
MINUTES of Meeting held November 7, 2014 ........................................................................ 93
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................... 96
MINUTES of Meeting held Monday, November 17, 2014 ...................................................... 96
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS .................................................. 98
MINUTES of Meeting held November 25, 2014 ...................................................................... 98
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ........................................................................... 102
MINUTES of Meeting held November 25, 2014 .................................................................... 102
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 105
MINUTES OF Meeting held November 25, 2014 .................................................................. 105
LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ........................................................................................... 110
MINUTES of Meeting held November 25, 2014 .................................................................... 110
SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ....................................................................... 122
MINUTES of Meeting held on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 ............................................... 122
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION................................................... 125
MINUTES of Meeting held December 2, 2014 ...................................................................... 125
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................. 128
MINUTES of Meeting held December 9, 2014 ...................................................................... 128
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ........................................................................... 137
MINUTES of Meeting held December 16, 2014 .................................................................... 137
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 140
MINUTES OF Meeting held January 14, 2015 ...................................................................... 140
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COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS ................................................ 146
MINUTES of Meeting held February 6, 2015 ........................................................................ 146
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................. 149
MINUTES of Meeting held February 10, 2015 ...................................................................... 149
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION................................................... 155
MINUTES of Meeting held February 10, 2015 ...................................................................... 155
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 160
MINUTES OF Meeting held February 11, 2015 .................................................................... 160
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS ................................................ 166
MINUTES of Meeting held March 10, 2015 .......................................................................... 166
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ........................................................................... 177
MINUTES of Meeting held March 10, 2015 .......................................................................... 177
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................. 180
MINUTES of Meeting held March 10, 2015 .......................................................................... 180
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 182
MINUTES OF Meeting held March 10, 2015 ........................................................................ 182
LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ........................................................................................... 186
MINUTES of Meeting held March 10, 2015 .......................................................................... 186
SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ....................................................................... 202
MINUTES of meeting held on Tuesday, March 10, 2015 ...................................................... 202
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION................................................... 206
MINUTES of Meeting held March 10, 2015 .......................................................................... 206
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 212
MINUTES OF Meeting held March 19, 2015 ........................................................................ 212
VISION AND CHURCH DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION................................................... 216
MINUTES of Meeting held April 7, 2015 .............................................................................. 216
EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................. 222
MINUTES of Meeting held April 14, 2015 ............................................................................ 222
COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS AND RIGHT RELATIONS ................................................ 229
MINUTES of Meeting held April 21, 2015 ............................................................................ 229
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 234
MINUTES of Meeting held April 21, 2015 ............................................................................ 234
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EXECUTIVE OF LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY ............................................................. 240
MINUTES of Meeting held May 5, 2015 ............................................................................... 240
PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION .............................................. 246
MINUTES of Meeting held May 20, 2015 ............................................................................. 246
CONGREGATIONAL LIFE COMMISSION ........................................................................... 251
MINUTES of Meeting held May 26, 2015 ............................................................................. 251
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PERSONNEL SUPPORT AND EDUCATION COMMISSION
MINUTES OF Meeting held June 3, 2014, 1:00 p.m.
at the Presbytery office, Guthrie, ON.
PRESENT: Nina Fulford (Chair), Bruce Roffey (Secretary), Thelma Arnott, Donna Bowman-
Woodall, Joy Crawford, John Harries (Retirees’ Assoc.), Donna Hazlett, Carol Johnson, Elaine
Lush, Rick McKinley, S. Derek Shelly, Al Taylor, Terry Thom, Wanda Winfield.
Regrets: Linda Mather, Young Rhee, Leslie Sedore, Fran Watterworth, Bright Yun.
Absent: Edward Daglish, Paul Dempsey, Richard Moffat, Arlene Simms, Sue Wood.
Constituting the meeting: Call to Order/ Declaration of Quorum / Opening Worship
Nina Fulford called the meeting to order and declared that a quorum was present. The two new
members, Al Taylor and Carol Johnson, were introduced. Members of the Commission
introduced themselves.
John Harries read the parable of the mustard seed from Mark 4. Nina commented upon the
parable and part of meditation from Eddie Askew on the parable, A Silence and a Sounding. She
closed the opening worship with prayer.
1. Opening Motions:
1.1 Approval of Agenda
Add item 3.3 Debbie Celsie, Inquirer from Keswick-Ravenshoe, discernment
committee
MOTION: that the agenda is accepted as amended.
Moved by: Thelma Arnott
Seconded by: Rick McKinley CARRIED
1.2 Approval of the roll of Personnel Support and Education Commission signified by
signing the attendance list
1.3 Approval of Minutes of the meeting of April 9, 2014
MOTION: that the Personnel Commission of Living Waters Presbytery approve the
minutes of the meeting held April 9, 2014 as circulated.
Moved by: Bruce Roffey
Seconded by: Terry Thom CARRIED
2. Personnel Support:
2.1 Elizabeth Peeters – report of interview.
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Elizabeth was interviewed about her suitability to serve as pulpit supply within the
United Church of Canada. It is recommended that she not be placed on the pulpit supply
list at this time, and that she be allowed to continue in her ministry at Regent Park United
Church until the end of August as per her agreement with the pastoral charge.
MOTION: That the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters
Presbytery adopt the report about Elizabeth Peeters and implement the recommendations
of the report.
Moved by: Derek Shelly
Seconded by: Donna Bowman-Woodall CARRIED
2.2 Sandford-Zephyr – appointment of Supervisor during Sabbatical of Dianne
Bennett-Jones
MOTION: That the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters
Presbytery appoint The Rev. Elizabeth Cunningham as the supervisor of Sandford-
Zephyr pastoral charge during the time of Rev. Dianne Bennett-Jones sabbatical, July 1
to November 3, 2014, pending her acceptance
Moved by: Derek Shelly
Seconded by: Elaine Lush CARRIED
Elaine Lush will act as a backup if Elizabeth Cunningham can’t come.
2.3 Cynthia Breadner – process to ordination
Cynthia was part of the ordination process in British Columbia and has returned to Living
Waters Presbytery. She will need to re-enter the process, since the process in British
Columbia Conference is different than that in Toronto Conference. She is a licensed lay
worship leader in this presbytery.
2.4 Jody Maltby – request to Conference Settlement & Pastoral Relations Committee
for sacramental privileges
MOTION: That the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters
Presbytery request that the Toronto Conference Settlement and Pastoral Relations
Committee grant sacramental privileges to Jody Maltby for the purposes of her youth
ministry in Toronto Conference.
Moved by: John Harries
Seconded by: Donna Bowman-Woodall CARRIED
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2.5 Rev. Carol Galbraith of MCC – interview report
MOTION: That after an interview, the Personnel Support and Education Commission of
Living Waters Presbytery include the name of The Rev. Carol Galbraith to the occasional
pulpit supply list without sacramental privilege.
Moved by: Rick McKinley
Seconded by: Derek Shelly CARRIED
2.6 Linda Butler – appointment as Presbytery rep to Thornhill transition team.
Further information is needed, and so the appointment was deferred.
3. Education and Students
3.1 Internship Convenor needed
MOTION: That the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters
Presbytery appoint The Rev. Terry Thom as Internship Convenor.
Moved by: Donna Bowman-Woodall
Seconded by: Derek Shelly CARRIED
There is some interest in developing internship sites in both the north and south of the
Presbytery.
3.2 Inquirer: S. L.
The Conference Interview Committee recommended that S.L. not be received as a
candidate for ministry.
An exit interview will be set up, if he would like.
The Commission concurred with the Conference Interview Committee decision.
3.3 Inquirer: D.C. – Keswick-Ravenshoe
D.C. has requested to be an Inquirer.
MOTION: That, in response to the request of the Session of Keswick United Church,
the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters Presbytery establish
a discernment committee for D.C., and the presbytery members of this committee be
Elaine Lush and Joy Crawford.
Moved by: Donna Bowman-Woodall
Seconded by: Bruce Roffey CARRIED
3.4 Meg Jordan
Meg has become an Emmanuel College special student. She has some courses chosen
that seem to fulfil the recommendations of this Commission. She will look for an
internship for September 2015 looking toward ordination in May 2016.
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3.5 Debbie Boukydis-Grant
The report from Emmanuel College is very positive. She is looking around unofficially
for an internship and is leaning towards applying through the national matching process,
probably beginning September 2015.
3.6 Jennifer Dennis
There are some snags regarding the PLAR process. The person who was doing these
evaluations is no longer doing it. It was suggested that she prepare a PLAR to
demonstrate her required competence, but there is no official template for this. Further
consultation on the process is needed.
3.7 Patricia James
We are expecting a request from Northern Waters Presbytery to supervise her education.
3.8 Liaison mentor for each student?
The Commission discussed the development of a system of student mentors, liaisons or
contacts. A mentor would be a contact with the student helping with questions and
supporting the student. There could be gatherings of mentors and students as a group.
This idea still needs to be fleshed out. Donna Bowman-Woodall would train the mentors.
4. Retirees’ Association
John Harries reported that seven members will be retiring from the board of the Retirees’
Association, leaving six remaining. John said that this was a natural time for them to
withdraw and let new members take on leadership roles. He complimented the “retiring
retirees” for their great work.
MOTION: That the Personnel Support and Education Commission of Living Waters
Presbytery thanks John Harries for his leadership and the valuable work he accomplished
with the Board over the past seven years.
Moved by: Nina Fulford
Seconded by: Derek Shelly CARRIED
John felt that he had been affirmed may times along the way. John talked about the
appropriateness of the word “association” saying that they really didn’t function like a
usual association (e.g. membership fees, etc.) and suggested that they simply be called
the “Living Waters Retirees.”
5. Personnel support planning group
- Ministers with significant anniversaries – move to September meeting of Presbytery
- Additional volunteer needed for this group: Donna Hazlett, Thelma Arnott
6. Chaplain Reviews – report on interviews
The chaplains feel that they are being used reasonably, face-to-face, by telephone and
emails. The Commission still feels that it needs to publicize their presence. It was
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suggested that they join a few tables at Presbytery to have their meals; make their
business cards available, and that they be introduced in the Newsletter. The report of the
interviews with the Chaplains held on May 9, 2014 is attached as Appendix 1.
7. Other Business
Donna Bowman-Woodall, Nina Fulford, and Wanda Winfield reported on their
experiences of the Adaptive Leadership Unit in which they took part. It was six
meetings. Jody Maltby would like to know if they wish to start new groups, continue
with another six sessions with the same group, or do both. Nina will pass on to Terry
Davies their views.
A request has been made that Karen Croxall be placed in the Pulpit Supply List as a
student.
It was noted that Commission Minutes can only be published on the website once it is
confirmed that any letters that need to be written have been written and delivered.
8. Next meetings
Tuesday, September 9, 1pm
Living Waters Presbytery Office
Guthrie, Ontario
Tuesday, November 18, 1pm
Living Waters Presbytery Office
Guthrie, Ontario
If any pressing matters need to be dealt with before then a conference call will be arranged.
9. Closing.
The meeting was adjourned on motion by Derek Shelly and closed with prayer.
___________________________________ __________________________________
Chair Secretary
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Appendix 1
INTERVIEWS WITH LIVING WATERS PRESBYTERY CHAPLAINS (SUPPORT MINISTERS)
May 9, 2014, at 1 p.m. in Living Waters Presbytery Office, Guthrie.
INTERVIEWERS: Rev. Nina Fulford, Rick McKinley
CHAPLAINS: Rev. Colin MacDonald and Tina Bax
OPENING PRAYER: We opened with prayer, led by Nina
FORMAT: Rick met with Colin; Nina met with Tina; then we met with both chaplains.
SUMMARY:
The recent survey on chaplaincy surprised them. The main finding from the survey was the need for more publicity
for the program and for opportunities for them to share what they do with presbytery. Any new surveys should be
reviewed by the chaplains before being started.
Colin pointed out the importance of listening skills. Both try to greet new presbyters before plenary sessions (they
do not belong to any commission).
A recently discovered resource is epicfailministries.
The current job description does not need to be revised.
Referrals come: from those who need care
from third parties (including the Personnel Minister)
contact instituted by the chaplain after hearing of troubling situations.
Frequency: About eight contacts were reported on the survey. However, Tina saw 4 face-to-face and contacted 7 by
telephone and followed up with e-mail with a couple more.
Publicity about our chaplains: We need to introduce our chaplains regularly at presbytery meetings (perhaps at the
beginning of every meeting) and have them speak about their work and that it is completely confidential.
Articles in the newsletter could focus on our chaplains and we should have a regular blurb with contact information.
Much of their care is handled by telephone, but face-to-face support at a mid-point is preferred.
They are prepared to support lay Presbyters in presbytery related situations where help is needed.
Colin and Tina are happy to continue in their roles. Remuneration is satisfactory. Tina submits mileage. No
telephone costs are passed on to Presbytery.
We reminded them to be supports for each other.
CLOSING PRAYER: Nina led a closing prayer.
Report prepared by Nina Fulford and reviewed by all participants.
This will be transmitted to Rev. Kathi Phillips, Chair of Living Waters Executive.
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