Table Of ContentThe EGobrecht
Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005
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Features in this issue
==> Welcome to the Inaugural issue of the EGobrecht.
==> Harry Bass Jr. Pattern Seated Dollars on display at the ANA.
==> 1861O “Proof” Half Dollar on display at the New Orleans Mint.
==> Brian Greer’s feedback on the FUN bourse.
==> Major study of 1861O half dollars coming.
==> Randy Wiley visits the Odyssey Group.
Details
==> Welcome to the EGobrecht!! Thanks to the excellent suggestion of Michael
Fey at the 2004 ANA annual LSCC meeting in Pittsburgh, and efforts of other
members of the LSCC, the LSCC’s email newsletter is now a reality. This is your
inaugural issue! The LSCC officers solicit your support to make it an informative
and relative publication. That support can be any information related to Liberty
Seated coinage and the LSCC such as preliminary announcements of newly
discovered varieties, upcoming Liberty Seated coinage auctions and/or results,
availability of Liberty Seated coins at coin shows, interesting activities at coin shows,
LSCC member happenings, links to other numismatic internet websites, neat cherry
picks, upcoming meetings or gatherings of club members, counterfeits seen or found,
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==> For those of you traveling to the ANA Headquarters in Colorado Springs, CO,
the Money Museum has portions of the Harry W. Bass, Jr. Collection of Christian
Gobrecht Dollars on semipermanent display. The late Harry W. Bass, Jr., a Dallas
businessmen, scholar, and collector, spent many years accumulating a massive
collection many of us can only dream of attaining. Some of the display includes the
rare 1836, 1838, and 1839 flying eagle reverse dollars. Off metal and Trade dollar
patterns are also displayed. More information can be found at
http://www.money.org/musexhibits.html.
==> According to the October 11, 2004 issue of Coin World, a Proof 1861O half
dollar is on display for the next three years at the Louisiana State Museum, formerly
the New Orleans Branch Mint. For those of you traveling to New Orleans, you may
want to stop by and view it. The Museum is located at 400 Esplanade Avenue, New
Orleans, LA 70116. Their telephone number is (504) 5686968. This coin, the
property of Robert LeNeve, a collector from Boynton Beach, FL, was bought at
auction in 2002 for $17,250. More information on the old New Orleans Mint
building and history can be found at
http://lsm.crt.state.la.us/site/calendar.htm#exhibits. This web site also includes a link
to a downloadable pamphlet on the history of the New Orleans Mint.
==> Brian Greer, noted Liberty Seated coin dealer, collector, author, and scholar,
provides us with this feedback on the FUN: “While scarce dated Liberty Seated
coins were in short supply at the show, just about any date could be found for the
collector willing to pay strong retail prices. Nice inventories by a couple of dealers
assured availability. For the collector seeking a bargain or a dealer looking for resale,
the going was tough but coins could be found with hard work. Pricing is another
question. Many non specialists are asking well above traditional wholesale levels
assuming all seated coins are bringing a premium. These dealers usually lack
knowledge of the series and do not know which dates bring strong prices and which
do not. Pricing truly scarce dates is difficult now. What is a 71CC 25c worth in
fine? No one really knows right now as auction prices are SOMETIMES off the
charts, sometimes not. I saw an 1874CC 50C correctly graded PCGS VF35 on the
floor priced at $4950. That is above XF retail. Since the coin did not sell, the price
does not really mean anything. At what price would it sell?”
==> Randy Wiley, noted half dollar scholar, is currently finalizing a major study of
1861O half dollar die marriages. His abbreviated study is currently planned to be
published in the June 2005 issue of the Gobrecht Journal. Randy describes, in detail,
the die marriages known for that date and the die linkages to show what die
marriages were struck by the U.S. Government, the State of Louisiana, and the
Confederate States of America. Look for it soon. I am trying to talk Randy into
distributing full versions of his study after the article is published.
==> In January, the Odyssey Marine Exploration and NGC asked Randy Wiley to
travel to the NGC to attribute their recovered 1861O half dollars. For those you who
don't follow the news, the S.S. Republic, a steam powered paddleboat, sank on
October 25, 1865 near Savannah, GA while enroute to New Orleans, LA. Its cargo
included gold and silver coin shipments. Odyssey Marine Exploration recovered
many coins from the ship which are being preserved and offered to the public. Many
Liberty Seated coins were recovered among these. The results of Randy's visit are
confidential but, hopefully, details will be released later. For information on this
shipwreck, go to http://www.shipwreck.com.
Miscellaneous
If you were fortunate, you had the chance to meet and know Harry X. Boosel.
Among other things, Harry was known as “Mr. 1873” because of his love for all
coins of that date. When asked why he chose that date, he replied “…no other year in
United States coinage offers what 1873 does.” With all the open and closed 3’s,
arrows and no arrows, three mints, gold, silver, and aluminum patterns, it is almost a
type year in itself. His passion led to the discovery of the open and closed 3 rarities
and a lifetime search for varieties of that date. Sadly, he is no longer with us but his
zeal for collecting can be a model for a lot of us. Pick something that interests you; a
certain date, varieties of a date, die states of a variety, a certain type. You will learn
and you and others will benefit from your newfound zeal.
Have you ever done a search on the internet for the “New Orleans Mint?” In case
you haven’t, the last time I tried it, my search yielded 125,792 hits of which many are
fascinating. There are even interesting downloadable documents! Try it some time
with your web browser.
Proof versus Prooflike. One of the questions we, Liberty Seated numismatists, often
trouble over is whether a coin is a proof or a prooflike business strike. The major
grading service professionals struggle with this too as I have seen and owned coins
encapsulated as proofs that were actually prooflike business strikes. This topic
actually merits a major study and essay outside the scope of this newsletter. For
those of you who may be interested in a good starting reference, Walter Breen
discusses this in the overview of his excellent reference Encyclopedia of United
States and Colonial Proof Coins 17221977. Die diagnostics for many proofs are
well know and often are the key feature in determining whether a coin is proof or
prooflike. For example, a raised lump on the upper serif of the 7 in the date readily
identifies the 1873 No Arrows Closed 3 Proof half dollar obverse die. Business
strikes are not now known on this diagnostic. Check your collections and you will
find similar characteristics.
Bill Bugert attended the Frederick, MD coin show on January 21, 2005. This is a
very small, quarterly local show with about 20 dealer tables; here are my impressions
as to the availability of Liberty Seated coinage. All series were represented with half
dimes, quarters, dimes, half dollars, and dollars available, most to least. I was very
surprised that few Trade Dollars were on display and of those few, most were
cleaned. Common dates for all series were prevalent and I saw very few scarce dates
and no rare dates. I saw most of these coins at previous shows by the same dealers
and most of the coins had problems; cleaned, damaged, etc. Very few original coins
were available and they were, in my opinion, pricey and above CoinWorld
COINValues. Some encapsulated coins were displayed but, they were common
dates.
1885 Trade Dollar. A new Trade Dollar auction record was set on November 29,
2004 at a David Lawrence Rare Coin auction in Baltimore. The Richmond
Collection’s NGC Proof62 1885 Trade Dollar sold for $1,006,250. This coin has
great provenance such as King Farouk and the Norweb family. Kevin Lipton of
Beverly Hills, CA was the successful bidder representing a southern California
numismatic trader. Congratulations to DLRC and to the new owner!
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1866 No Motto Dollar. On January 10 , in conjunction with the Florida United
Numismatists convention in Fort Lauderdale, the American Numismatic Rarities
auctioned off the Texas example of the 1866 No Motto dollar for $1,207,500
including 15% buyer’ fee. The anonymous winner is touted to be a collector since
childhood whose wealth is self made. Congratulations to the winner and the seller!
Thanks to Len Augsburger for alerting me to a great biographic sketch of Christian
Gobrecht. The December 1911 issue of The Numismatist has an excellent three page
summary of his early years and major activities as an engraver, focusing on his
medals. It is very interesting reading.
The June 1965 issue of Numismatic Scrapbook Magazine has an excellent article by
R. W. Julian entitled “Philadelphia Coinage Statistics: 18531873 The Quarter
Dollar.” In this article, the author lists the daily statistics of the mintages of quarter
dollars during those years. For you quarter dollar researchers, this article may be of
interest.
The January 1968 issue of Numismatic Scrapbook Magazine has an excellent article
by Raymond R. Reinoehl entitled “the United States Trade Dollar Types and
Varieties.” Excellent photos and a long article with detailed information are
included. Check it out!
Calendar
Deadline*: article submission for the next Gobrecht Journal February 2
Deadline*: add submission for the next Gobrecht Journal February 11
Richmond Collection auction of Seated coins (DLRC) March 7
Deadline**: reporting your collection for the half dime census March 15
ANA National Money Show, St. Louis, MO April 810
ANA Summer Seminar: Colorado Springs, CO June 25, July 1, July 28
ANA Convention: San Francisco, CA (new location) July 2731
* = Submissions are due to John McCloskey.
** = Submissions are due per instructions on the survey sheet.
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