Amazon to Ivanhoe: British Standard Destroyers of the 1930s

145 Pages·1993·22.82 MB·English

by  John English

AMAZON TO IVANHOE

John English

AMAZON TO IVANHOE

BRITISH STANDARD
DESTROYERS OF THE 1930s

BY

JOHN ENGLISH
CONTENTS

Introduction 5

Background to the development of the Prototypes 7

Torpedo Boat Destroyers (dated 11.23) 7

‘The Tendering of the Prototypes 8

‘The Assessment of the Designs °

Report of Tials and Long Distance Endurance Test 10

The 1927 Programme, CODRINGTON and the ACASTAS 13

SAGUENAY and SKEENA (RCN) 25

The 1928 Programme KEITH and the BEAGLES 29

Propasels by Yarrow and Thornycroft for a two bolle: design 90

The 1929 Programme, KEMPENFELT and the CRUSADERS 43

Proposels for Leaders armed with 6” guns 44

The 1930 Programme, DUNCAN and the DEFENDFRs 51

The 1931 Programme, EXMOUTH and the ECLIPSES 62

The Minelaying Destroyers 63

The 1932 Programme, FAULKNOR and the FEARL=SSes B

The 1933 Programme, GRENVILLE and the GREYHOUNDS aa

Proposed Modifications to the vessels’ A.A. Armament 29

‘The 1934 Programme, HARDY and the HEROS 102

‘The 1935 Programme, INGLEFIELD and the INTREPIDs 14

‘The Breviian ‘4’ Class 127

The Turkish I's 125

Appencix I: Deployment 137
Appencix Ii: Armament changes to the All Destroyers on Conversion

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142

143

Acknowledgements 144

Photographs 144

World Ship Society Publications 144

Front cover: INTREPID while serving with the Home Floot 3rd DF. in 3.42

Publishod by the World Ship Society,
28 Natland Road, Kendal, LA 7LT, England

ISBN 0 905617 64.9

© 1993 JL Englioh, Me. (Trane.

| BSe. Econ.)
INTRODUCTION

“The A to's wore typical prosucts ofthe Acrnraty Shp design process, hat hair design wes bated
cnvtho host dostoyer design otont In 1828." the Improved W clos Gesuoyers of OIG.

“This design was thon medi in ght of subsequent exparence and with the allon of we newty
cetetpes AZO subranne dtecton squpment ress este, rgr accel garter, morored
“Senilafon,borr aging an bttorhendoom below deck Tha al adaed to tn cupplaty costo
the vosses. The pore pom shor: range an aerat Woepey wae alo to ba file Wut tae tl under
‘Svelspman Over ssdrtone toi swe prototypes, coetruted andar the 1024 estimates, nee peut
SEorege cacy Yr uno a stan and proved ost facies fr tow ompeirts of 0

teas the Thome pratelyps AMAZON wtick was desoloped for eons productie, afer ae with
sng Srouebult AMBUSCABE id ater done om aoa oie Demy a Wtes he cue’ beck

‘A naw Staff Raquiemant for dastoyers was iesued on 2042.28 withthe highest prot bein sion
tothe esse apude same of Muy 2” apace bts spat he 7" pur Tena Sane
aximaim speed was to be Sif knots h deso eed condition,

“Tho now vosseis eect th waatena ola of the destoyar $8 eat cacort, were its ln trp
qmamon ast be uc toon ef take by enumy decopar and scuting voscin ana to otk one
flee nits wth tomadoss.Ltletnounht was vena hg fms to tho ue of the dosoyer ae pene
fooa acre gang er haa stack and ogres be camber soe

oyna ent sant sce 1290 25 play devant ol he AMAZON they ere
{a's in peor tondons e's high maximum sped i Sioa ae

Oar ny castle istreeveeit eesaihert aa Rat nes
in-Grtsh grcance cenecty, ssoncialy im desian teams, meant that there wes newer an efiscive shore

Throughout the ely yea of thet devlonment, there sas prvareatn an the need fr alargar vessel
foregone parses voaet tne nsf» Romaganovs group cf vosssl, COUPINGTOH
nd EXMOUTIT wor tary oebare wet CEPT. KEMPENPSLT 2 BUNEAN veere cf te Soetrover fe,
‘Modiid to meet comma dts, With the Supression of 3 4.7" qun and ts fplacoment oy reared
‘common te Expr’ ai tre Eta Peto ac Sader, br lor ace a Tore

‘The machinery and balan ofthe vessels wis consaratve in dasa, but ater eating problems wit
toa Ne'proves 0 be danetalyveetis. ACHERON's high pressure bales gov vonste rele ad so
tres su eayee te uutdlry cutee. wre not unl de 1895 Eelrates arate cles toe abe
‘The unt ayctam wher balers and machinery ware Goupes topelnes wah consowulnt inctsees
‘suniveoiy wes not edopied inthe UA una e4a, OP

Dring the decade of davelopment.repcted auiempls wate made to incase enduranca, afar the
rjapulled dociion with tho A clas to reguce banka Genasty ver h ene reac tha the propsive
<hney oth rotator vs gant thr exinated sre ol bankers could sone be
Ffaveod Atanats wore made with to C'> (1928) and = 19ST co mpve ange lon cttarage Yee
Ineraeadte 44s tons — an ncassaof SE ane ave the A's The endurance afte weasel fencned 530
"iee at 18 ko with ihe We of 1935, GIPSY of ths gro was hod with an expecrantalJohraon bee,
‘vcore fe etn serves The fon vote of deveaprant as ans caneaberecucton
ites fo bacon
frais Aa

ithe ros vs apordene

ight ar abe ned ara a cin atest te on dere yt Marea na.

itso tne Hi oehch wore Sassea Hom sommes

‘The A o's me the recuomants cf the Bish Stal! — they wor latvoly chap, alae and ple fl
= nt cou arg ith ay fr sustained operon in hea wesier Toe! however wee more able
forthe arg tact operations of the gavous wat far the canes om Srface ord sumone tress
tht they wore te face during tho sozona tani, They were te prov wet suscapibie to a stack
bit so Were most of the dosuyers sult cpio 1883

Despite sevre loses off Norway Noth oe: Europe ana aqacialy in the Meteraneen cutog TO80%8),
theweusee served wit ltneior and held the ana urtheelacements en ante sal becom aveais
{Hom 1642 The close wer sn sor on foe” dutesin Aetic waters andthe elon Soxay oil WOES
Homer by tic date ne survvor deen ranstrad to ascot duties on ths Nort Aton Wes THe
‘esses ere modified to aut thera new sacral sonaion, wan an wha squpmest te ep Yd
‘epaclv wos aval ewe Apponde 3 for deaie)

Aljtticns wate my are varie, withthe suppression of 1/24." guns, Ne addition of 3 guns, hich

ote Supetsaded at fiat by 20men and then by Zomm vsepons. Texpode sce ware oauced hur

‘nd thos fit adapted fre A'S orpodoey or tw ona-ton cept sherae Cesthchesge stowage Was

agpedmarvck ance ant aura weapon sin ae ho Hadasog ed he dns mek

{yper of dar rade-nleafons atupman. diecton fading squprct and ngroved ASDIC. The ee ees

Dove suzbie or ssh a change dies we etarno fo he boos Surana We Soin eh
not ther equipment

aa

LOTT Wy, Compare yin AW/ZOY. Shane no ne motions with.” panera wt Hes
‘id ow 298 rca eel pated 2. ta pth hoes and oe tO taped as raved

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BACKGROUND TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROTOTYPES

hd been tun down fom grange ever 400 n 1918 co

fe togeter with 15 leaders of the MAFNSMAN, BROK®,
SPENCER and SCOTT Castes Alle wat destoyers end siarpa rumbe’ eno War bult Mand Rcoeses
faa beor scrapped botwrsen 1021123 for reasona of economy motor condition cr under te condrions
Fine Weshington Ravel Moet.

Of tho voseds tana, tne Strviors of he M, and S clases had no development potential becouse
pf thor ites endurance cote st tne cestryarecansemaot th ghiysyecerstul¥, an tmoroved
{ucla desrane end Laer, sour of he veal tha Improved W elas and to Landers of he
BROKE nnd SPENCER clacea hr surivthe mars cancalaton of 18", hax sly been commend
Iino yenrs up tora rcs "S24: By that yor wd bean ety seven yon sine Ye let Sonroyot
Sos at dap ss can rte hy denn ae iy ht hr
{i ew constetin sce the war, consisting of eat 70.000 fen Crus, two Ges'rovers tee Fata
Submarines one Sobmarre Beso! Sv, one Bestye Obpo Sn, ane Minelayer an two Yangse ve
‘ol demise thot wa owt 90 vest or the Rey anette Nv Te yal eeys one
‘ten Soiled in 1837 wah the Cay but eg neo Seer Deng bu ne Ure regan

The ezaciicaten of ho patatype had fet boon ciecuecd atthe Conte's contorence of 13:1.23
19h gareed ihe following bask” character tos
Shaft Here Power "0,000 to achive 34 Knots on ful power val.
ads f Acton” R000 mle 12 not a8 ot el cape and 260 mig a peed.

iene 2 Mare ht pom-pom (Nove thay the forced armament predomineted over
{he gun armament)
Longe ot vossol $10 barnaan aorpenaculare,
Sthertquement To be ited mh REOIC ond Wels
‘Toa deetan wes basically a repeat of te Improveu"W" Clase which were ganarly the lest destroyers to
Fave Does complots by tha tandarng compares.
sing themes te Dees ial Catton (DNC Grow up dee tech dese fr she

‘TORPEDO BOAT DESTROYERS (DATED 11.23)

Langer bewwaen persenicua ae 6: ccd
Beep lod ett iar ie ie
Beep lta essiacoment 2.380 tors 2880 tons 2.625 tone
Welane:

ons poe ‘ore
ut re io 509
Machinery 0 50 850
Eoipment $09 500 103
‘armen $0 Ed EA
Moe Speed nor 238 238 322
Entiranee a 12 knoe (Moe 500 81080 5/000
(Gin dee lad conaiton tft) ie ‘ite ise

lng nota te 10122, the Engine in Chit etna hatte machin at ecco,

‘would be B12 tone ora two bar aangemont and 529 tone for 2 tres al

linens beware Conte and the DNC inher partes of eden woe reat

{iy The eostle wore tobe constructed! i 'D' guciey el

Tih The egupment of te yeast wast Include the some rmamant asthe W" Cis, ADI, Wireless

(id Thee mo ve 3 ston. displacement of 1580 tos ui ial peed

Ivy acetone neste wert ince a total of 245 tone of action! voici tat were not eluded
Lathe pve Wir vce ta eating Up teeta geri SO RMS
{113 tonal -etenal swning stavchisns’".0 ton), wireless telograpty room (18 tens. ations 0
forecasts (3. tons lnger bridge (05 tonal and neato ds soning 1.8 Yo
apie stats webrt unter etai are aso inn th
shan tase’ possible with exist fra contral cuiemont in destieyers on™ nent S=SE

THE TENDERING OF THE PROTOTYPES

(Of 26:1.23 fve of we tremor sesroyer ular were aoc ta tna — Danny, Havharn Lesle
“notte Whwand Yorn: Afro ps or ihe dccora wore Desueod nertons te Ararat
andthe patie buds tenders fer 2 prottypos mare finaly uid on 25°28; The landeen ere 0
ivacswed ty the Aeraty ty The 2

Deeigt 210" (PP1 wih followed Sosaly to th Sotch

Design ‘8° 306" (PP) with a sirale boiler forward as in WISHART.

Tre detale ofthe desaas ae given “abe 1

Table 4 LEGEND OF PARTICULARS OF TENDER DESIGNS COMPARED
ONC
Characteristic Praposdla—Thorayeott Mapossla—Yorow Conwy. S, White
irre)
H n
lenge (PPL 38 a0" 205" 307 x0 a
Leng (OR 328 323) amy aa 223 223)
[xromel 3a aw 3 ar aw a
eop Ort
Wicd 2 ea ay 0 = a
Power 33000 35.000 32c00 2.000 33,000 33,000
Spree load) 34knowe —38 35 3 35 35
Fuel onsl 710 470 450 278" 20° 385
Complement 160 mon = = = =
Weight (alta)
General
Enulpment 84 17 125 170 so =
‘armament st = a = a
Machinery 520 486 495 478 495 495
Hut 700 487 479 a2 10 810
Margin 2 = i i sh
Diepacomen 1420rons __yo___1088 26 i vid
Di Fuol anc Reserve Fees Wistar tab ace :o give ca-load slacement,
[eludes Armament for ONG: propossl, but xcudes armament forthe remainder,
*aive queramgod redus of aun
4 Given n'Shipe Cover, but soos to be vty lot compared with other gone! equipment totes
ote: No dete of the Hawt Lelia dong av wv the Cv
THE ASSESSMENT OF THE DESIGNS

eG tes ewer S35 etn ee
In particular goos endurarce performance st an economical speed’.

vessel appeared to he 6D tone overvteght vg eecermadetian wae too smell and machinery S306 100
ingest company cous ony guratee 34 hota, sd orshlaed ok wot SEER L
The Thomyeot e design nes prelerad to the A’ design. The vessel had the same dislacernent es
teenie

Ii Denny Hawthorn Lesie and White desions,

Yorow Thopyertt 8
1) tu £107.00 Be
Mmachiter £184,000 £193,200
18), Gther equipment sna
Soave gue £9,000 £9,700

£274,000 2226.40

“Th a lower Tomnyeraft wnder cou aha efet uldegaffiiency Or the degen to. gat the oer

By 17.26 ah Yeo vessel nx boon allocated the name AMOUSCADE and Thorryctof'= vessel hed
bn gosta AMIA7ON. Some tone ek ner on 337 34, Thorycrote nenaptedsrasictas moh
Boar of te proposed vosso

Bhi einer and stim of 126, Torts conser ne of AMAZON a progosed
{i “Engion oom to be langtnenet by 2 fama spsens
{t) Baer oom belonged by 1 frame seace
{il Rftor mogasne and Shel rm tobe todseed by 1 tame epeca
{Geen conganent be sarnan 1 ho op
{wt The'machinary to have Ow same genoa amangementa¢ the ONG design

“Tha pralniny exit costo the rue lesign wns eslentnd at £273,003: However on 63.25
the Admiaty agreed te plo an dor He of the erg ardor ta pee £260, 00 af whieh the
makeup wa

Hut 90.30
Gavanising 31880
Machinery 159,700,
Sie gute 14030
Rory Turbines 1300

759.200

“he vessel was to have he
ign date (21 meethe fom

1 redus of ection as the previous design ané robo completed on the
2a
“THORNYCROFT
GRGRAT TEED
Sewen Besign
‘ia Thies

Length 1.89 1 ape as

Legh wel he ae

img Pe 406 9: Ba

bagi bag ane

epi fe 4B 18

rater Wer ies

Sheed nots a Ey

SHE designed 31,500 36,000

SH mae 24500 Seinoe

Wighia Tons!

Hu ae 508

Frogs 18 13

Machinery 485 oes

OF for 3 hours 50. 60

Pace 72235600 "£273,000 \Amordea)

[No SIMILAR DATA SURVIVES FOR THE YARROW DESIGN

“Th ul spe ale of ANBUSCADE any AMAZON cook aco 9h 2827 ana 12.327 especialy Nowy
poets acirad ere 26,08 knee for AMEUSEADE on dsplecement af 1287 tons end aye? knots
TorANAZON en TBI5 inne

REPORT ON TRIALS AND LONG DISTANCE ENDURANCE TEST

‘As the vessels contend so mary new features and much untied equipment twas decied to test

"i long detares tal for Portamoutn to Pornamosco was Undersien during 8.28, To vseeele had
tomaintina constant mares of revons, “This pavgorsuled ns marke dap in saced whan
fringe were sncountare, bath thepis wth aang win, thee wae nek an meroaea sped owing
"Sins CO of AMBUSCADE rportad that he vane eutferod vbtin when th anglngs ware warmedup
sushi et tetas 26-28 rts end anain at spaods ef evo, 36 ket.

“ine. of AMAZON was ofea of the super heat machen fer to folowing reasons

1) “re ngner temperatures in the machicery soacessdsced he eneay ef tga room carlo
Ith Maimanance wae more dificult

IM he oles ete naw Affeltn lasn and needed mre tine fr meinonancn,
Geral AMAZON hac greater ua fcercy then the AMBUSCADE. However. te ships go Hate
‘tend ef te vor’ spend Increasing, eve opposite wes tue The Yep eartnues

"ho oss of sconey dso etl n vacuum sil gag rena ge ee ip yo; Kyte

‘normtnan counterbalanced sy incoaze spend hich mgt have ben aba by lighter heh
‘The vase! teceme move ively ae requivod more helm ar ve congue lose 0 epee est

‘Socandy, th sontoionsrangoments oe wom the exaust rom the engineragm come Up under
the awnings nd are hence defied dom to de ng sac

Engina room and solr room temperaures averaged 126: Tor 13 days in AMAZON. AIMBUSCADE was
simia" The vontiaion woe soo" prove aod ANBUSCADE underiog als te improve vertuaticn

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